Originally Posted by laurie53 ".and they bloody well don't" Argument lost, I think! Intemperate language is always a good indicator! ...
Ha you are very like me. But then, I think the same but we can't both be right.
I can be though. Sorry about that but someone has to be right.
And that's me
Trooper, Yes I am that, a Northern scrapper by birth and raising.
A Manc, awkward and with a big chip on the shoulder, aggressive with it. Old Labour through and through by upbringing.
But I moved South and now live as a "middle-class champagne socialist" by my own efforts.
An odd mix but at least I can see both sides of the argument.
And mostly right..
P.S having read the posts on here I wonder if this country has lost its balls.....I think by and large it has.....I think I will join the SNP and campaign for an independent Scotland outside Europe..... there's only five million of us so I dont suppose Obama or any one else will give a toss.....We would be in a shush you know what state but we could always tap you lot for a bob or two or invade.....a bloody good scrap would be just the thing....non of this only hitting above the belt though or not putting the boot in that's for bairns......God that's got the old blood pulsing I better off to the bed.
Last edited by trooper; 14th-January-2013 at 10:47 PM.
In war there are no unwounded soldiers.
So what. That thread was buried about 2 weeks ago, now we're on to why Brits blame the US, or anybody else for that matter, for the decisions it makes for itself.
Oh, woe is me, some obscure US bureaucrat thinks we should stay in the EU. It's all the Americans fault when we do.
"If you can't explain the pause, you can't explain the cause."
“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert”. – J Robert Oppenheimer.
Open letter to Philip Gordon, US Assistant Secretary for European Affairs « Autonomous Mind
As Major put it "some obscure US bureaucrat"
Last edited by Yassoo; 15th-January-2013 at 02:19 PM.
I know it must be painful when one of your mates goes over to the enemy especially when he turns rounds and calls you a bunch of fantasists but for you to make out he is having a different debate is comical and completely misrepresents his article. You're just not listening to the guy.
There's never grey in Peter Oborne's world (you've cut and pasted his stuff oftenenough) - only black and white and every line in his latest column is on the money.
The Yanks were just stating the blinking obvious. You have two markets next door to each other. One has 440 million customers and one has 60 million customers, in which market do you build your factory?
I'm not particularly for Europe or anti Europe but everyone should READ, READ and READ Peter Oborne's advice to the Tory right and UKIP - HERE
Last edited by Graham; 15th-January-2013 at 08:49 PM.