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Old 3rd-July-2009, 02:53 AM
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This is actually one of the three reasons for crime reduction in New York City. (The other two are demographic changes, and the end of the crack epidemic).

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CompStat—or COMPSTAT—(short for COMPuter STATistics or COMParative STATistics) is the name given to the New York City Police Department's accountability process and has since been replicated in many other departments. CompStat is a management philosophy or organizational management tool for police departments, roughly equivalent to Six Sigma or TQM, and is not a computer system or software package.

Instead, CompStat is a multilayered dynamic approach to crime reduction, quality of life improvement, and personnel and resource management. CompStat employs Geographic Information Systems and was intended to map crime and identify problems. In weekly meetings, ranking NYPD executives meet with local precinct commanders from one of the eight patrol boroughs in New York City to discuss the problems. They devise strategies and tactics to solve problems, reduce crime, and ultimately improve quality of life in their assigned area. The system is also in use in other major metropolitan cities including Los Angeles [1], Philadelphia [2], and in Baltimore, Maryland where the system is shown in use in the The Wire on HBO. Baltimore's system is called Citistat[3]. In Canada the CompStat system is currently in use by the Vancouver Police Department.

CompStat originated in the New York City Police Department in 1994, under leadership of Police Commissioner William Bratton and Deputy Commissioner Jack Maple. They modified conventional community policing ideology after realizing that, to reduce crime and respond to communities' needs, many operational decisions should be made by commanders at the precinct level. They reasoned that precinct commanders are in a better position than headquarters executives to appreciate and meet their communities' needs, and so gave precinct commanders authority to direct the 200 to 400 police officers that they manage. They also posited that precinct commanders are in a better position than beat officers to understand and harmonize the agency's policies with social dynamics of their geographic compass. To enact this change, Bratton revised NYPD policies to empower precinct commanders, significantly expanding their authority, responsibility and discretion, as well as their degree of control over personnel and other resources. As their authority was expanded, their responsibility, discretion and accountability increased as well. Bratton's ideas[4] are based on community policing and the Broken Windows Theory by George L. Kelling. The LAPD has further expanded Bratton and Maple's work and the results from New York into COMPSTAT Plus[5]
It doesn't have anything to do with 'cracking down' or 'locking up'. It has to do with community policing, delegation of authority, and intelligence work.

Giuliani came along, saw the parade was forming, and like any good politician, rushed to get in front so he could lead it. And then took credit for it, so he could further his political career.

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How would you punish the law breakers KE?
Prison for those who present a danger to the public.
Electronic tagging with strictly enforced curfews.
Meaningful community service.
Intensive intervention so the sentence is not a chore to be borne and forgotten, together with ongoing support after it is finished.
Compulsory adult literacy teaching where relevant.
Skills training.
Really, the current raft of sentences is not wrong but there is a need for more intensive staffing, which costs money, and a willingness to ignore the morons and their tabloid cheerleaders who scream criticism without understanding what's what.
But other measures aside from punishment are needed. The most important of which is a new power to arrest members of the 'I'm not a grass' brigade on grounds of reasonable suspicion and have them charged with either aiding and abetting or obstruction. Without the safety net of community protection that the criminal often enjoys at the moment, any sentence handed down will have that much more chance of being successful.
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But other measures aside from punishment are needed. The most important of which is a new power to arrest members of the 'I'm not a grass' brigade on grounds of reasonable suspicion and have them charged with either aiding and abetting or obstruction. Without the safety net of community protection that the criminal often enjoys at the moment, any sentence handed down will have that much more chance of being successful.
Not a logical alternative to punishment is it?

To punish people who don't speak up?!!

There is always a very good reason people do not speak up.
Some may not speak up because they do belong to the 'I'm not a grass' brigade.

However the majority are fearful of reprisal because the courts expose them as witnesses and the law gives them no protection whatsoever.
.... and all that trouble to see the offender get off with a caution or other inappropriate light sentence, then they see the offender or others outside their door throwing insults or bricks.
Who in the right mind would want that?
It is easy to blame people when not exposed to their problems.
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These people are as much a problem as the criminals they protect. With their silence they are helping justice not to be done, they are empowering the criminal in his lawless life and are mroe or less guilty of conspiracy. If this criminal code of slience could be broken, there would be nowhere for the criminal to hide. How many crimes are committed safe int he knowledge the perpertrator is fireproof once he gets home?
"I'm not a grass" is not a badge of honour but an admission of guilt.
And if the plea of fear is put forward, tough - they are essentially saying they like to be scared and dio not want the situation to change. If you are fearful of some illness, you go to the doctor and get cured. The non-grasser should receive adequate protrection until it is safe.
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How easy to say when it isn't you.
I think you are living in fantasy land.
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Bring back the rock quarries and the canvas uniforms with arrows on them! Get rid of all those TV s etc and set up a prison library with books by Dickens, RL Stephenson, the Bronte sisters etc.
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Bring back the rock quarries and the canvas uniforms with arrows on them! Get rid of all those TV s etc and set up a prison library with books by Dickens, RL Stephenson, the Bronte sisters etc.

Now you are talking.
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